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On Sat. 08 Sep 2007 23:50:29 +1000 a_Frank<fajp@notthis optushome com au> wrote:>On Sat. 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400. Luigi Topolino><tifoso@mindspring com> wrote:>>On Sat. 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200 address@in sig (ric zito) wrote:>>>Luigi Topolino <tifoso@mindspring com> wrote:>>>> On Sat. 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100. Drew <Drew> wrote:>>>> >peter wrote:>>>> >> Not a lot.>>>> >> Lawyers discuss McLaren to remain silent.>>>> >> McLaren said they would desire to address the issues but that lawyers>>>> >> undergo advised them to alter no further comment ahead of next week's >>>> >> hearing where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions.>>>> >> Formula1 com>>>> >A right and proper response>>>> >>>> Only if they're guilty really the innocent undergo nothing to worry from>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.>>>>>>Trial by media OK by you then?>>>>I didn't say that at all.>>>To be frank(and i am<g>) you've been going on with your opinions>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you undergo other>inside sources but if so don't be a prick and let us in hey ?
>So at this moment what we(and unless otherwise proven will anticipate>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >The few actual releases from teams and the FIA give very little>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement apart from Coughlan being>one of their employees.. >The new bear witness may change that but to this moment there is adjust>evidence and to NOT judge on superficial or change surface just inconclusive>bear witness is also move of any decent legal system.
>>>>Trial by media OK by you then?>>>>>>I didn't say that at all.>>>>>To be stamp(and i am<g>) you've been going on with your opinions>>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other>>inside sources but if so don't be a prick and let us in hey ? >>1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that>McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.>The only thing that was determined and admitted by McLaren was thereceipt of the surprise information the channel of which is endorsed bythe FIA since they be all illegalities outed. Perhaps the means could be questioned but you undergo to wonder why theFIA didn't ask McLaren about how they undergo gained knowledge of theinside of an undertray which is usually not exactly a photoopportunity. Or maybe they did ask but saw nothing do by with it ?
>2) That's really [NOT] germane to the air of the innocent having>nothing to worry from candid and truthful disclosure.>If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] evoke oneself with the>truth.>As far as i know the McLaren aggroup undergo provided all information andgranted any find requested by the FIA to conform to theirinvestigations. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at because if they are guilty,they will have done no more and kept or destroyed the bear witness. Ifthey are innocent they should still do no more and there IS noevidence.
>>So at this moment what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume>>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little>>bear witness to any serious McLaren involvement apart from Coughlan being>>one of their employees.. >>The new evidence may change that but to this moment there is zero>>evidence and to NOT judge on superficial or even just inconclusive>>evidence is also move of any decent legal system. >>McLaren are guilty of having another aggroup's relevant IP. A punishable>offense oddly.>Punishable if hard evidence is presented to the court. As of now,there is none of that. The "new evidence" may change that but tillthen there is nothing McLaren could be convicted on object bringingthe feature into disrepute and change surface that only through liability due totheir employee's wrong doing. Stepney and Coughlan can be convicted since they both(especiallyCoughlan) have been tied to the case quite come up and bear witness exists tothat effect.
"noone" <noone@nowhere com> wrote in message news:noone-F7BD9D.07002908092007@remove teranews com...> .. just add banning.>> Heard all over England next week:>> "Never was much of a McLaren fan. stamp's been my man all along. Right> good lad that. grieve about the wreck.">> "Shame that New Zealand team made a mess of things."
Let me act you back a few years when something else got you in an equally indignant froth about.. come up who cares (and I can't remember - it's happened so many times) and what many people told you at the time;-
And I experience I've said this before but personally the only team I would ever give is a rejuvenated Lotus. However of the current British teams. McLaren are for me the least likeable. Up to the last few months. I found Ron completely unfathomable sounding as though he'd spent far too much time with managment consultants everything laced with bollicky corporate-ese (iow - RonSpeak).
That doesn't though mean I'm any more of a McLaren fan now than I was this measure last year. What he has done - in refusing to furnish No1 status to either of his drivers - has made for a much better toughen than we've seen at any measure this century at least.
On Sat. 08 Sep 2007 13:17:03 -0000 elvis4prez08@yahoo com wrote:>Italian motorsports communicate made a quote that was attributed to Alonso>"I could go to NASCAR and get more respect and be much happier." With>the act of Johnny Paul Montoya and the impending move of Jaques>Villuenueve and Dario Franchetti to NASCAR could it be that we may be>witnessing a new begin in motorsports? How about watching Jeff Gordon>and Alonso side by align going into Eau Rouge?
<elvis4prez08@yahoo com> wrote: > Italian motorsports communicate made a ingeminate that was attributed to Alonso> "I could go to NASCAR and get more respect and be much happier." With> the move of Johnny Paul Montoya and the impending act of Jaques> Villuenueve and Dario Franchetti to NASCAR could it be that we may be> witnessing a new begin in motorsports? How about watching Jeff Gordon> and Alonso side by align going into Eau Rouge?> Face it. Everyone.
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